best. Darth Vader preference was a refined djem so user with soreseu, juyo, and … your experience point doesn't mean anything as most jedi who fought with him were just as experienced are you goign to argue they are all so much more skilled than vader as well ? The suit also made him slow, something he couldn't risk against a skilled Jedi/Sith like Revan. He only triumphed over Vitiate in conjunction with the team. He sensed Bastila's shock at the jedi's right arm or rather the stump where his hand used to be. @darkdefender: Also on a point jack didnt mention. Vader only ever uses full frontal, brute force tactics because he is sure of victory. Revan is superiour to Ajunta Pall pre-KOTOR end game and is also above Nihilus as of the Mandalorian Wars.He is comfortably above Karness Muur at his peak at the end of KOTOR. I truly believe that upon being placed in that suit that Vader's growth was ended and he simply became a ball of rage, while Revan had mastered both the peace of the light side and the rage of the dark side, allowing him to perfectly tap into both sides of the force. I'll pull out my Revan novel and get the quote for you. "The Force washed over him like a wave, and a million different possible futures flickered through his mind simultaneously. @ffp: @darkdefender: @azronger: ffp is right. Revan's victory would have been brought about partly because of Scourge and Meetra's aid. So that isn’t what the Emperor had in mind. Why do you think you can use Karness Murr for comparison? Darth Revan at peak levels where all KOTOR gameplay feats apply to him. Revan was very fast and for sure faster than Vader but I’m sure this one is obvious. He also wins, but by a smaller margin. Also while that was a very heartening speech for Revan it doesn't change the difference in power that lie between Vader in his prime and Revan in his Darth incarnation. Even if we assume the time-gap can be bridged, Vader would never underestimate an opponent he knows something about. Revan being above Nihilus is not supported by feats regardless of statements by Meetra therefore there's nothing to put him substantially above Muur. The suit also made him slow, something he couldn't risk against a skilled Jedi/Sith like Revan. Prime revan? @noah_ouellette: Toe to toe with Vitiate? Don't be riciulous. Starkiller's raw power is above anything Revan has showcased (Note: I'm simply referring to raw power; I'm not saying Starkiller > novel Revan overall). I'm a big Revan fan so my answer might not give Vader as much credit as he deserves. However, I use the words "could of been" as his defeat at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi left him nearly dead and thus he was placed within his suit to survive. He saw reealities where Revan won and lost,why wouldn't he say we if he was talking about the trio? Anakin may have had greater raw potential but as Vader he was weaker in the Force...but more focused, ruthless, less arrogant and not holding back. hide. Except sidious. Revan contending with novel Vitiate would be as impressive as you make it sound if Vitiate himself had more feats than rituals which cannot be used in combat. Vader wouldn't stand a chance against a Sidious tier opponent like Vitiate on his best days while Revan not at his best was capable of beating Vitiate. End. @jackofalltrades2: Considering you're like the biggest Old Republic fanboy on this site, your opinion means very little to me. Why are you ignoring the text which clearly mentions Revan and Revan alone? What are Vitiate's feats that put him as an equal to Sidious? They're pretty even. Darth Revan, Darth Sidious, and Darth Caedus were confirmed … Because they did? Meetra saving Revan's life. @jackofalltrades2: It says Revan's victory not Revan and Revan alone. So it's not DARTH Revan then. Darth Revan at peak levels where all KOTOR gameplay feats apply to him. Read the OP. Anakin says yes and Luke says no.”. 47 comments. INB4 Novel Vitiate is weaksauce and so is Novel Revan.Even though he has better feats than Yoda and Sidious as per Ritual of Nathema. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The team was present. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than him. report. Also about Karness Muur and Vader, its obvious from context I forgot to add alone about Vader facing Sidious. Novel Vitiate is slightly above novel Revan, and thus is considerably above guys like Dooku. - Revan. @jackofalltrades2: That doesn't matter though. you can't just say revan is so much more skilled than vader and not say why. Yes Revan is a powerful force user, but Vader is the second strongest sith lord (becoming 80% of sidious). Meetra saving Revan's life. In 2011, Revan was slated to appear in "Ghosts of Mortis," an episode of the third season of the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series.Revan would have appeared as a Sith Lord alongside Darth Bane as advisors to the powerful Force wielder known as the Son, but they were ultimately cut from the episode in late production. @jackofalltrades2: Wait, what? Personally I think telepathy is given the feats he accomplished in his Vitiate incarnation. @darkdefender: The game says he was. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. The character is a primary antagonist in the original trilogy and a primary protagonist in the prequel trilogy. Now, we have Legends Revan and Legends Vader to consider. WINNER: DARTH VADER. And could you please explain how two characters who got punked by Nyriss would prove relevant against Vitiate? … Marek broke through Vader's telekinetic defenses in TFU and in TFUII he allows himself to be disarmed to get Vader to lower his guard. @jackofalltrades2: @noah_ouellette: Revan contending with novel Vitiate would be as impressive as you make it sound if Vitiate himself had more feats than rituals which cannot be used in combat. Vitiate was not wary, that's the point. revan is fucking UNSTOPPABLE. While I do say Vader is the stronger and more skilled, what's stopping Revan from frying his suit with force lightning. 3) This is the only one worth any real discussion, and I'm betting on Revan again. 14 comments. @noah_ouellette: Where does it state he was immune to it? when revan fought vitiate who outclassed him revans only strategy was to try and run in close where he had the edge with a saber if revan tried to do that with vader he'd just get cut down. Regardless Vitiate wasn't even able to effect them with TP per the Revan novel and Meetra's presence is what saved Revan's life as she knocked the blade out of Vitiate's hand with a saber throw. cutting down a bunch of namelsss and featless force users ? "Yeah, Scourge and Meetra totally can resist the Emperor.". Wait, you're saying he would have been wary confronted by threats? He saw both Revan’s triumph and defeat in the throne room; he saw variations of his own life and death played out over and over in every conceivable way, shape, and form. If they had been victorious it would have been due to the team's effort. @jackofalltrades2: I'm pretty sure it mentions all 3 of them specifically. ...You're still talking about Scourge and Meetra as if they are relevant against a vastly more powerful opponent than the one that stomped them, why? share. Not Blackbeard and crew's victory. Warning: Unpopular Opinion Nihilus is a rupture in the force, an insatiable Galactus like character that drains planets of their power. Not Revan Reborn or SoR Revan. report. And neither are his Lightsaber skills. mastering both sides doesn't make you more powerful than anyone who hasn't if that was the case why did vitiate so easily beat revan multiple times ? Battle boards need feats after all. 2) The same. 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